It’s not about Ukraine , that’s just the playing field. The west did a coup to use Ukraine to move position east, there would not have been a war at all if that was not the case. People smarter than me have been warning about the coming war in Ukraine since the 90s
I’m aware, but either way this war doesn’t seem to revolutionary in anyway, it’s just two opposing capitalist countries fighting. I’m not really rooting for either side. I don’t know if either side has the Ukrainians people’s best interest at heart. The Russian bourgeoise was just robbing Ukraine and now the American bourgeoise are just using them as cannon fodder.
Fuck all those people.
Of course it’s not and I get your point , Russia sucks. However critical support against the western imperialism is wanted. if west gets their way they will take over. It’s like a turf war all over the planet. Would you want a world were US imperialism and fascism stands unopposed? I wouldn’t. I’ve rather have a balance of terror than just terror. Even if I don’t like the players of this game which they so psychoticly enjoy playing with us. Besides that there is the fact that one side has a more expansional agenda than the other one.
The thing is this isn’t an anti imperialist war. Russia doesn’t have some revolutionary army that is going to free any one from imperialism. It’s literally just two bourgeoise armies fighting. So I don’t support either side and neither should any one who calls themselves a Leninist ( I’m not a Leninist.) Any one who makes any excuse for either side is just a propagandist, plain and simple, just because some people can on this website can see through American bullshit doesn’t mean they’re not a propagandist. The frag your CO memes all apply to the Russian side as much as the Ukrainian side. Bourgeoise war is bourgeoise war, there is no winner for a normal person here. They’re just waiting to see which jack boot will stamp on their face.
If you really think Putins Russia is anti fascist just because they’re defunding their turf so they can keep looting Ukraine then idk what to tell you other than you’re a war propagandist. Also how will this war help any leftist movement? It won’t. Both the Ukrainians and Russians hate leftists. The communist party in Russia is essentially just controlled opposition and when people formed Soviet’s in eastern Ukraine Putin had them killed. Supporting either side in this war does nothing for me, the average Russian or the average Ukrainian and by doing that all you’re doing is helping one shitty government kill the citizens of another .
No i noticed you haven’t read Lenin , he had a few things to say about imperialism. So before you try to define what a Leninist is , or more specifically what a Marxist Leninist is you should read it. Or maybe just see what the people in Donetsk have to say for it.
Even if you are a liberal who always are against all wars except the current one, supports any liberation forces unless they actually isn’t angels or have a proper gender diversity. I would give even you critical support if you did something worthwhile instead of just following CIA talking points.
No one thinks Putin or Russia is anti fascist. They are however killing Nazis which is a whole lot better than yours both side argument that always are de facto support for the status quo.
Again why do you know better than the people in Donetsk and rest of eastern Ukraine that rather see themselves as part of Russia and see Russia as liberators that stopped the genocide there?
Perhaps you should be less smug and actually do a deeper analysis of the situation that led to the war? If you did you would quite clearly see that the people of Ukraine are suffering from western imperialism and the war that the west started. And if you actually had a backbone you would also see which side that you have a minicule possibility to effect. But I guess it’s easier to have talkingpoints about orcs instead.
I typed out a reply twice and lost it both times now I cbf. All I’m gonna say is you’re right I haven’t read Lenin in nearly 14 years I should check it out again if I can be fucked. I agree that the west started the war, and that they were arrogant enough to think that Russia would just fold because they’re part of the mongol horde or whatever fucking stupid shit some nazi propagandadist came up with. Honestly I always found both sides using the genocide term to be awful and it cheated the actual meaning of the word. Gaza is a genocide. The sources I have irl informed me that many of the Russian leftists who tried to set up stuff in eastern Ukraine were killed.
I feel your need to bring up gender as a dunk to be fucking pathetic. What does gender have to do with any of this?
You don’t know me, or what I’ve done politically. I’m just tired of being used as a weapon of war, and taking part in an information war is part of that. I’m going to go outside enjoy the beautiful sunny day hang out with my family, and count my lucky stars that I’m not being bombed, shot at, shelled or hunted by autonomous drones.
I feel like we will never see eye to eye on this and we‘d both wasting our time trying to get the other person to agree. I hope you enjoy your weekend and that nobody you know ever has to die in a stupid fucking war.
It’s not about Ukraine , that’s just the playing field. The west did a coup to use Ukraine to move position east, there would not have been a war at all if that was not the case. People smarter than me have been warning about the coming war in Ukraine since the 90s
I’m aware, but either way this war doesn’t seem to revolutionary in anyway, it’s just two opposing capitalist countries fighting. I’m not really rooting for either side. I don’t know if either side has the Ukrainians people’s best interest at heart. The Russian bourgeoise was just robbing Ukraine and now the American bourgeoise are just using them as cannon fodder. Fuck all those people.
Of course it’s not and I get your point , Russia sucks. However critical support against the western imperialism is wanted. if west gets their way they will take over. It’s like a turf war all over the planet. Would you want a world were US imperialism and fascism stands unopposed? I wouldn’t. I’ve rather have a balance of terror than just terror. Even if I don’t like the players of this game which they so psychoticly enjoy playing with us. Besides that there is the fact that one side has a more expansional agenda than the other one.
The thing is this isn’t an anti imperialist war. Russia doesn’t have some revolutionary army that is going to free any one from imperialism. It’s literally just two bourgeoise armies fighting. So I don’t support either side and neither should any one who calls themselves a Leninist ( I’m not a Leninist.) Any one who makes any excuse for either side is just a propagandist, plain and simple, just because some people can on this website can see through American bullshit doesn’t mean they’re not a propagandist. The frag your CO memes all apply to the Russian side as much as the Ukrainian side. Bourgeoise war is bourgeoise war, there is no winner for a normal person here. They’re just waiting to see which jack boot will stamp on their face.
If you really think Putins Russia is anti fascist just because they’re defunding their turf so they can keep looting Ukraine then idk what to tell you other than you’re a war propagandist. Also how will this war help any leftist movement? It won’t. Both the Ukrainians and Russians hate leftists. The communist party in Russia is essentially just controlled opposition and when people formed Soviet’s in eastern Ukraine Putin had them killed. Supporting either side in this war does nothing for me, the average Russian or the average Ukrainian and by doing that all you’re doing is helping one shitty government kill the citizens of another .
No i noticed you haven’t read Lenin , he had a few things to say about imperialism. So before you try to define what a Leninist is , or more specifically what a Marxist Leninist is you should read it. Or maybe just see what the people in Donetsk have to say for it.
Even if you are a liberal who always are against all wars except the current one, supports any liberation forces unless they actually isn’t angels or have a proper gender diversity. I would give even you critical support if you did something worthwhile instead of just following CIA talking points. No one thinks Putin or Russia is anti fascist. They are however killing Nazis which is a whole lot better than yours both side argument that always are de facto support for the status quo.
Again why do you know better than the people in Donetsk and rest of eastern Ukraine that rather see themselves as part of Russia and see Russia as liberators that stopped the genocide there?
Perhaps you should be less smug and actually do a deeper analysis of the situation that led to the war? If you did you would quite clearly see that the people of Ukraine are suffering from western imperialism and the war that the west started. And if you actually had a backbone you would also see which side that you have a minicule possibility to effect. But I guess it’s easier to have talkingpoints about orcs instead.
I typed out a reply twice and lost it both times now I cbf. All I’m gonna say is you’re right I haven’t read Lenin in nearly 14 years I should check it out again if I can be fucked. I agree that the west started the war, and that they were arrogant enough to think that Russia would just fold because they’re part of the mongol horde or whatever fucking stupid shit some nazi propagandadist came up with. Honestly I always found both sides using the genocide term to be awful and it cheated the actual meaning of the word. Gaza is a genocide. The sources I have irl informed me that many of the Russian leftists who tried to set up stuff in eastern Ukraine were killed.
I feel your need to bring up gender as a dunk to be fucking pathetic. What does gender have to do with any of this?
You don’t know me, or what I’ve done politically. I’m just tired of being used as a weapon of war, and taking part in an information war is part of that. I’m going to go outside enjoy the beautiful sunny day hang out with my family, and count my lucky stars that I’m not being bombed, shot at, shelled or hunted by autonomous drones.
I feel like we will never see eye to eye on this and we‘d both wasting our time trying to get the other person to agree. I hope you enjoy your weekend and that nobody you know ever has to die in a stupid fucking war.