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Well good news is it doesn’t matter that much cause they’re already overcharging their people for medication 10000x

This is a the first good argument I’ve heard from any of you crybabies. OK, you have a point.

You won’t starve to death. don’t worry.

Well, hope you’re enjoying the schadenfreude. Have a good one.

I see you’re editing your comment and included something about oil. The decision of petroleum being either extracted or imported is based on local extraction costs vs import prices. This is why I mentioned “allowing for slight energy cost increase”. You could very well be importing 100% of your oil and just not extracting your own because slightly more expensive… And once again, this would be giving away labor to the world at the cost of US workers so companies that relied heavily on energy got better profit margins (i.e. mining, logistics, etc)

I don’t make the rules. This is just how it works.

Well someone didn’t really care to understand what I was actually saying OR do their homework very well.

Please tell me which of these imports (sauce: wiki) cannot be substituted in the short term and is of critical importance. There’s pharmaceutical and there’s medical and they don’t represent a very large chunk of imports. Pharmaceuticals can be made anywhere (they just follow the lowest taxes) and medical equipment… guess who was the world’s largest exporter of this? The USA (see table in page 210).

Yes, consumer goods are a big import but they can be substituted to a great degree in the short term and relocated to be manufactured nationally within the mid term. That was kinda what I said, you know, before.

No, I did not miss a zero, thank you. Unskilled labor needs a few months of on boarding at most and the capital moves freely to where the money is to be made. Yes, factories take some years to build but while there’s money to be made, they’ll be built very fast. The most profitable ones, anyway.

You can make those goods! I believe in you! cheers

How do you think those foreign companies started making them? Who do you think they copied?

It’s all stolen US/EU IP and probably a big chunk of the first movers of tech stuff are partially US-owned. All their specifications and that of the machinery that makes them were likely created in the USA or EU. This is easy to understand and see if you look at the auto industry. Anyone can make low skill labor intensive stuff… The difficulty is by definition not in the manufacturing process… The problem is it’s usually only convenient for everyone for the country with the cheapest labor to make the stuff cause cheaper. The machinery and facilities required to make these things were likely also designed in the west 90% of the time.

Doubling and tripling prices in exchange for having a living wage for someone who currently has a $0 income is actually a really good deal.

I’m not saying he’s not an idiot or that he’s capable of empathy. This isn’t about that. This is just a good move on its own. Had to be done. Sry. You guys were walking straight to an abyss out of fear of people like you overreacting, like you are now.

Oh and I’m sorry if your portfolio isn’t doing well and you’re cranky. You’ll be back in the greens in no time.

Have a nice week, friend.

edit: I realize saying “people like you overreacting” was unfair. I apologize.

You mean like every empire in the history of civilization or dare I say every nation state currently recognized by the UN does?

Yes, it does and that’s why they’re doing it this way.

Besides Oil, USA doesn’t actually need a lot of imports (and I’m not rly sure how much imported oil they actually need if allowing for a slight increase in energy cost). Today the US relies on imports cause it managed to outsource all possible labor-intensive tasks to whom now are now the manufacturers, but getting those industries back to being made locally shouldn’t take more than say, 5 years. US just imports these things because they’re cheaper to make that way, but has everything except as-cheap labor to make them (including the know-how).

If this maneuver is successful, it would likely be very good for US working class.

This is not a trump endorsement btw. It’s just good socioeconomic strategy to bring industry back to national territory.

Edit: To those of you who are downvoting me (i.e. everyone), don’t worry. I still love you. <3.

Edit 2: I think this is my all time most downvoted comment of all time! I don’t know what to say… I’d like to thank my autism and lack of rewarding life experiences. Hi, mom! :D

I understand what you say, and yeah I get it. I’m sorry shit’s so rough for you guys right now too. The way I see it, decadence is always about the ruling classes. There are times where they are more about honor and the good of the nation, and there are times when they are just about luxury, pleasure, themselves and nothing more. That is what I consider decadence.

I don’t see why decadence is not an accurate conceptualization for everything you’re describing.

That’s horrible but yeah… sounds right.

Dolphins and killer whales are capable of all the things you describe. So are all great apes. Chimpanzees are capable of genocide. It’s not even human nature. It’s just nature.

Are you familiar with Dunbar’s number? The problem isn’t how people organize, it’s how many people organize. You get groups too big, the human empathy module short circuits and starts ignoring other humans as such…

You know what other animals can organize in large collaborative groups and not fight each other? Ants, bees and mole rats. Eusocial animals.

The problem with eusocial animals is they divide into genetically determined castes… So nature has shown us it’s either small packs or become a drone for the hive, and the problem with small pack is that larger packs destroy them.

I hope you’re right.

haha why not?

Technically, you’d be right though.

But yes, I ignored nuance. Would you like to talk about nuance?

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not, but that is what I actually think. Like, that’s just what empires do imo. Sharks can be pretty brutal to smaller fish. Empires are brutal to smaller nations. It’s just how it works. Nothing personal, the way I see it. vOv

Yes, I am.

Your democracy is falling apart because of it is an empire in late decadence. Its systems of checks and balances are collapsing.

The world is getting more war friendly because as dominant empires fall apart internally, nations want to do stuff they weren’t allowed to when the big bad empire had more control.

This is all part of the natural life cycle of empires. Best case scenario is they fizzle out with protection from another empire, like Great Britain did. Worst case scenario is really bad.

Expect to see more of this kind of thing in the future. Might be a good time to consider going somewhere else, cause things could get really ugly. These problems are terminal and at this point it doesn’t really matter who gets elected. It’ll keep falling apart. I say this with sadness. My country also got screwed by the USA, but if it hadn’t it would have been some other empire. Such is the life of the small poor nation.

I’m sorry, but I think it’s important to see this for what it is and to adapt.

Kthxbai

This assumes single-dimensional political repercussions, though, which i don’t personally consider a good analogy.

Imagine if they not only set temperature, but also humidity, average rainfall, barometric pressure, wind speed, intensity and frequency of sunflares and chancea of tornado. Imagine if the person handling the thermostat set it for millions of locations with different needs simultaneously.

Imagine if your expectations were likely to be missed by a longshot in all regards and furthermore, all the information you were given regarding any possible consequences was completely untrustworthy.

This is what politics feels like, to me, in latin america.

Hope i’m wrong and you guys have it better. Best of luck.