Yes and if they then destroy the democratic institutions (press, judiciary), without which they wouldn’t been able to gain entry into the EU, they should be expelled.
It’s not only the far right gaining power, it’s about dissolving the democracy after they gain power. If they don’t meddle with the trias politica, and change the way the democracy functions so that they remain in power, it’s totally fine.
However Orban did that and therefore deserves a kick.
Fidesz didn’t dissolve democracy, they hacked it. I feel the term captured state fits, but they also talk about it being a hybrid regime.
Your concerns are very much grounded, but I just don’t see booting HU as a good solution. While there might be merit into ‘scaring Hungarians’ into getting rid of Orbán and co with a chance of losing EU access, it would only be good as a hail mary. I’d say half his voter base doesn’t really care about external (or internal) politics or is convinced that Brussels is the new Moscow.
Let me ask you one thing: is it better to have an ally that is visibly corrupted than to try and support the partizans in a neighbouring Russian vassal?
Valid suggestion. My motivation is based on Orban to veto any major changes that would defend Europe from Russia.
One could also change the need for absolute consensus in the EU but that could also lead to a slippery slope.
My reasoning is that if a country would not qualify for entry in the current state there should be pressure to change things. At least they shouldn’t be able to extort the Union like they currently do.
I mean in no way to punish the Hungarian people, but there needs to be some unpacking to be done, I’m not sure if that could happen without external pressure in the current ‘hacked’ democracy.
So punish him by kicking his country out.
Wait, why punish the people of the country?
Well it’s not longer in compliance with entry qualifications. So sort out the democracy and gain entrance again.
I’m not sure I understand, because far-right, nationalist and/or fascist governments gain power through democratic elections.
Yes and if they then destroy the democratic institutions (press, judiciary), without which they wouldn’t been able to gain entry into the EU, they should be expelled.
With this logic the same should be applied to Italy, Finland, Slovakia, Croatia and the Czech Republic.
Still, this approach doesn’t tackle the issue that the far-right gains power through elections in representative democracies.
It’s not only the far right gaining power, it’s about dissolving the democracy after they gain power. If they don’t meddle with the trias politica, and change the way the democracy functions so that they remain in power, it’s totally fine.
However Orban did that and therefore deserves a kick.
Fidesz didn’t dissolve democracy, they hacked it. I feel the term captured state fits, but they also talk about it being a hybrid regime.
Your concerns are very much grounded, but I just don’t see booting HU as a good solution. While there might be merit into ‘scaring Hungarians’ into getting rid of Orbán and co with a chance of losing EU access, it would only be good as a hail mary. I’d say half his voter base doesn’t really care about external (or internal) politics or is convinced that Brussels is the new Moscow.
Let me ask you one thing: is it better to have an ally that is visibly corrupted than to try and support the partizans in a neighbouring Russian vassal?
Valid suggestion. My motivation is based on Orban to veto any major changes that would defend Europe from Russia.
One could also change the need for absolute consensus in the EU but that could also lead to a slippery slope.
My reasoning is that if a country would not qualify for entry in the current state there should be pressure to change things. At least they shouldn’t be able to extort the Union like they currently do.
I mean in no way to punish the Hungarian people, but there needs to be some unpacking to be done, I’m not sure if that could happen without external pressure in the current ‘hacked’ democracy.